Hello all.

A couple of quick questions here, I played a City Fight game yesterday with a friend of mine and regular opponent. He has multiple armies, Slaaneshi / Undivided Chaos, Mongolian Plonkers, and Orks. Yesterday we played a 2,500 battle, my Sons of Despair Vs his Evil Ultrasmurfs, five objectives and lots of terrain (blasted buildings and rubble piles). He beat me with one more objective but it was pretty close and lots of fun.

Two things came up that made me wonder:

-He fielded a unit of Tons of Twats, their Inferno Bolts are AP 3. He claimed my Plague Marines don't get a Feel no Pain save vs them as the wording of FnP reads something to the effect of Power weapons, AP 1, AP 2, or any other wound against which no armor save can ever be taken.
Actually, having just sat down with the rules again, I realized he simply didn't read far enough! Unless I'm misunderstanding something?

-I finally got Captain Postumus (my Nurgle Chaos Lord) into close combat after the majority of the game found him and his squad hugging cover and trying to avoid massed Vindicator shells. Bolt pistols and flamers fire, then its time to charge in. I roll a '3' for the demon weapon, not bad as it brings Postumus's attacks up to the extremely lucky and favored '7'! I rolled five or six hits, and rolled to wound three, so three down. Heres the question / problem: The description of the Demon Weapon says the attacks are poisoned, don't I get to re-roll to wound? He claimed that since it reads that the ATTACKS are poisoned the 'wounds on +4' is the extent of its abilities. This strikes me as odd, what happens when I fight Smelldar?!?!

Thanks for helping a noob!

Postumus

You GET the FNP against AP 3 weapons!

The Nurgle daemon weapon allows you to reroll wounds against targets with a toughness of 4 or less...

Something that keeps coming up is the AP3 vs FNP thingy...

like Snolb says you do get the Feel no Pain save against the AP3 weaponry; given that the rule state AP1 & 2 negate FNP, you'd think the absence of AP3 being mentioned would be enough for people to realise that AP3 does not cancel out FNP. However because it mentions things 'ignoring saves' confusion arises over the incorrectly held opinion that AP3 (or I find you tittilating and mildly arousing) 'ignores your save'.

Just bludgeon someone with the rule book the next time they argue with you.

Wow.

Your friend seems like a rules lawyer.

As said, you DO get FNP against AP3 weapons.
And you DO get to re-roll "to wound" with a Daemon weapon.
And, since he is going to split hairs about it at some point anyway, you DO get FNP against plasma gun overheat.



Argh. Since when did attacks alone wound anything?

Methinks your friend is afraid of FNP and poisoned attacks...

I always took the rules on poison weapons meaning that your hit always wounds on a 4+ "to wound" roll. Meaning, if the target has a really high toughness, and say you needed to roll a 5 or 6 "to wound", this wound be the advantage of using a poison weapon. Your model didn't hit him hard enough to actually hurt him, due to his high toughness, however it doesn't matter because there is poison on the weapon.

At least, that's how GW explained it to me. They pretty much said, "poison weapons are only useful against enemies with high toughness."

Come on...

	Quote: ...these may wound on a 3+ or even 2+...In addition, if the strenght of the wielder is the same or higher than the toughness of the victim, the wielder must re-roll failed rolls to wound in close combat.

Page 42 in the Rulebook

I hate GW...

More like terrified. He has since conceded both points, although it did take a call to GW to cement it. Seems like everyone in my gaming group is pants-wetting-terrified of my Plague Marines, the T Sons are just the newest attempt to shut them down.

The Nurgle Demon Weapon is flat out the best of the bunch, I'll be using it again soon.

Same goes for my gaming group. Every person in the group is building their army to beat mine. Kinda sucks...but at the same time...it's pretty awesome, haha. I'm just trying to come up with counter tactics now. Latest addition to an army to kill mine: killa kanz....

Only since 4th edition rolled around and made poison actually useful. A year ago the very same weapon was pants against any model with a Toughness below 5, and put you at a disadvantage when fighting models with a Toughness below 4.

So boys and girls... Keep in mind that Plaguebearers have poisoned attacks and 'noxious touch' can be very useful on a prince with strenght 6.

This was my argument last weekend, what happens when I fight Dark Smelldar? Are they actually somehow harder to wound with this thing? He brought up the Girly Pink Twink Boy Demon Weapon and the fact that it's special ability is also situational. Thats why I let it go, until I got home and came here, that is.





Wish I played Demons!


Edit: Silly filters!

Does instant death also occur without weapons or with single wounds models?

A marine (S4) wounds a plague zombie (T2) in cc. Is this instant death, does the zombie gets his FNP save?

The rulebook only mentions instant death briefly in the assault section, and it appears it only counts for multi wound models (it is a part of the multiple wounds section in the shooting chapter).

Anything that is S > or = 2T causes instant death, which negates FNP (I think, not got book to hand), so a Marine who wounds a Zombie causes Instant Death (thereby negating FNP) regardless of the Zombies single wound.