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 Post subject: Re: Nurgle tournament list discussion
PostPosted: Fri Jul 03, 2009 4:12 pm 
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nurglephill wrote:
1 twin linked bolter,
1 heavy bolter,
2 plasma guns,
4 melta bombs,
and a Champ with twin linked bolter, power weapon and melta bombs.


Say you put this in a Land Raider, or not.
You charge forward and disembark.
What now?
1. Shoot everything = 4 plasma shots, 4 TL Bolter, 10 Bolter, 1 B.Pistol
2. Shoot and assault = 10 B.Pistols + 4 Power weapon and 27 normal attacks
or disembark early/stay and shoot on range
12" = 4 plasma, 4 TL Bolter, 10 Bolter, 3 Heavy Bolter shots
24" = 2 plasma, 2 TL Bolter, 5 Bolter , 3 HB shots

Looks to me like firepower/mMelee stats from an normal Chaos Squad/Tac Squad from normal SM.
But you are paying over 300 points thats what two 10 SM Tac squads with melter/multi melter cost!

Mixing roles/weapons in this way is bad. FOCUS!
You pay for an heavy bolter but love to insert badgers into my face use it when you walk/charge, you pay for a Power Weapon that you love to insert badgers into my face use when you want to shoot with stuff you paid 55 points for.

Also Icon of Nurgle is 50 points making it 5 points per model that you can loose if you fail one unlucky save. Having a IoN also means you only got your LD 10.
For a tournament with the intension to win/play good stay away from Chosen.

For the 340 points that the squad would cost:

You could get 4 Terminator Champions with TLLC, IoCG and a Lord in Terminator armor with also TLLC.
Giving you 25 Power Weapon attacks on the charge rerolling to wound.

or

so much other stuff that is more versatile, more durable and does more damage.

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... described in that former official GW article.


No comment. Typical GW. Why do they give these "Tips"?

EDIT: If this sounds to harsh, i am sorry it wasn't intended to.


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 Post subject: Re: Nurgle tournament list discussion
PostPosted: Fri Jul 03, 2009 5:46 pm 
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i had come to the same conclusion as you mad-dan (sorry, just SOUNDS better :P)

I dont get why this would be a good chosen squad either.

the way i see it you either have power weapons/claws or 2 melta + 3 flamers....with my IoN (cos....I am nurgle) which seems to mean they are a no no in tournaments.... in fact the only thing should have is the PM....IoN are too expensive for tournaments...would that be fair comment?

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 Post subject: Re: Nurgle tournament list discussion
PostPosted: Mon Jul 06, 2009 3:45 am 
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I think Mabs put combi-bolters on his Vindicators in that third list to better defend the tank against Weapon Destroyed results. Not to actually use the combi-bolters....

1 Vindicator + 1 weapon destroyed = junk


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 Post subject: Re: Nurgle tournament list discussion
PostPosted: Mon Jul 06, 2009 11:25 am 
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yeah but....your opponent decides the weapon right? so in all honesty without the big gun your tank is nothing but rolling terrain. so why waste any points on another little gun that really wont have much of an impact

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I could go into more detail and quote rulebook stuff, but I'm mostly naked and drinking tea.

Squiggy wrote:
Anything that has a hole in it is fair game

Squiggy wrote:
Oh by the way, the Princess got kidnapped! Since she's been doing that for almost 30 years now I am beginning to think she is just an attention whore.

Squiggy wrote:
Why do nerds suddenly appear
Every time Phill is near?
Just like geeks, they long to chill
Close to Phill.


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 Post subject: Re: Nurgle tournament list discussion
PostPosted: Mon Jul 06, 2009 10:30 pm 
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nurglephill wrote:
yeah but....your opponent decides the weapon right? so in all honesty without the big gun your tank is nothing but rolling terrain. so why waste any points on another little gun that really wont have much of an impact


Duh, your right...hmmm maybe he just had extra points to burn?


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 Post subject: Re: Nurgle tournament list discussion
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the combi bolter allows the vindicator to live longer. In Case you lose the big gun, you are still able to tank shock your enemies. Without that little Bolter the Vindicator could easily be stopped. (weapon destroyed becomes immobilised, you know ;) )
If you have the spare points, they are worth it

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Mabrothrax wrote:
I could go into more detail and quote rulebook stuff, but I'm mostly naked and drinking tea.

Squiggy wrote:
Anything that has a hole in it is fair game

Squiggy wrote:
Oh by the way, the Princess got kidnapped! Since she's been doing that for almost 30 years now I am beginning to think she is just an attention whore.

Squiggy wrote:
Why do nerds suddenly appear
Every time Phill is near?
Just like geeks, they long to chill
Close to Phill.


Squiggy's Motto:
You are SO banned now, mister. :hate:


"Unlike Rosa Parks, your momma loves it in the back of the bus": David Cameron

Cassarus « Wed Dec 09, 2009 8:14 pm »
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